clemsondds, August 1, 2009 in WRX Club Techs, Hey guys, just wondering if some of ya'll can explain why people bend their irons up to 2 degrees? Thanks everybody for the help! Hitting off a lie board covers the in-store, sell you a set of clubs mantra. [/quote] Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 235 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. **. All Rights Reserved. Coops, Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. 4. Pros can easily hit their 7 iron over 170 yards or more. was good. Then, if you decide to carry out the work, its best to take the clubs to a fitter to do it on your behalf. thanks. Bending irons to stronger lofts and the effect on bounce However, given the fact that you can bend your golf clubs for as little as $5 by taking them to a professional club fitter, its probably best not to attempt it yourself if you dont have the right equipment. How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. Bending Golf Clubs: Should I Do it and How? Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. This applies to both face angle and lie. I agree with these two reasons here. Can I bend my irons strong? - Golf Clubs - Team Titleist Hogan was big into this. GIVEAWAY! bending Miura cb301 irons - Japanese Equipment - MyGolfSpy Forum Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Your previous content has been restored. It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is . And while you can bend your golf clubs at home, its best to send them to a custom club fitter unless you have invested in a golf club bending machine. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? Then again, I'm not sure that the spin you are talking about is a problem. Bending Golf Clubs: 5 Facts & Fallacies Pasted as rich text. Why is it so popular to bend your irons 2 degrees up? You just might start to dig more. The Senior pros are able to compete with their graphite shafted irons, but the modern . They sit better to my eye on the ground, the leading edge is noticeably lower and seems to line up with the hosel better (for lack of a better way to put it). So tweak to fit your gaps The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. Maltby KE4 14* 3w , Axe Excaliber R flex tipped 1" There does seem to be an abrupt cut off on the minimum iron loft at slower swing speeds. The majority of handicap golfers fight a slice. Thanks. Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. 8 iron 38 160 How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. Clubmaking: Bending Golf Clubs - A Necessity For Lower Scores - Equip2Golf an 8 iron is easier to hit than a 6 iron), I'm trying to draw comparisons to modern irons with stronger lofts, and if . If you don't like bend them back. Taking the next club up isn't as easy because the lengths are longer and it won't be as easy to control. If you feel like you are spinning the 6 too much for a certain type of shot on a particular day, hit a knock down 5 iron or scrub some speed off the 6. If you strengthen iron lofts, how much does bounce become an issue? Even with limitations, many of todays metal woods are indeed bendable, especially stainless-steel heads. Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. Hes happy to answer any of your questions! Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. Pros And Cons Of Forged Irons - Who Should Be Using Them? Why is it so popular to bend your irons 2 degrees up? The key variable ( among other variables) is the distance from your wrists to the ground at address. [/quote] Diamana GT 70 TX TM Tour Tip. Titleist's 620 MB & Callaway's Apex TCB irons are the next most used with 7. [b]I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft[/b]. Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. This is a more upright lie angle.. Stronger iron lofts don't always create more distance See What Members Are Saying! Taylormade Stealth+8* Fujikura Pro Tour Spec 73x. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. Like said earlier there is no "real" standard. and this is just for practice! I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Ok thanks ya'll. It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. Should You Bend Your Irons? Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. Mickesgolf So he decide just to make them all 3 degrees stronger instead of shortening them. I think most guys out there play less or equal loft to most retail sets out there these days. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. 6-iron launch: 17* Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. AutoFlex Golf Shaft Review: 8 Crucial Facts Before You Buy! Honma TW747 15* Vizard FD-8X I think its mostly because I have better spin rate with the mid-long irons now, although I never got any numbers. Leather Golf Grips Review: Should I Use Them? IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. 7-Iron Comparison by Loft. Some really do need more upright lies. We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. Could be the flatter lie angles. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. 1. He had me hit on a board and said that I needed 1/2 inch long. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS. Coops So, for the sake of your irons, take your clubs to a custom fitter if you plan on bending them. But my arms are more like someone 6'4" to 6'5". 7 iron 34 165 Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. Now, your club is set to be at the right lie angle for YOU at impact - and now it is up to YOU whether that's ok or whether you need to fix a hook or slice tendency. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. Why do Pro's and some amatures have their irons bent 1* stronger. By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Lie angles are easiest to adjust in forged irons; sometimes not possible to adjust in cast irons. It also improved my gapping, even though they were all bent the same 2* strong. A good tune-up is a good tune-up regardless of the final loft gaps. There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. When buying shoes I noticed a lot of the shoes in the stores inventory were size 10. Ping G400 Testing G410. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. 2 up is a decent fit for most guys 6'1 to 6'3 with "normal" ape factor. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210), Titleist Scotty Cameron Futura X7M Putter and Stitch Polo XXL NWT, NEW Taylormade Stealth 2 Plus 9 deg. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. To help you decide whether or not to bend your golf clubs, we take a deep dive into the practice in the following sections and explain what to expect in detail. 6-iron launch: 17* PW-iron - 44.5 degrees. Nike VR Pro LE 15*, 'Ahina 75s You can take your clubs to a fitter, and they will be able to check the angles and lofts of each of your irons and make any necessary adjustments based on what they find. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. [quote name='rybo' timestamp='1441146850' post='12247568'] [/quote] Are Tommy Armour Clubs Good? I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Hogan was big into this. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable, TM Stealth 15 w/Ventus Red It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. If they are not bent properly you can change the lie fairly easily unintentionally. Taking your irons to a pro and letting them get to work on your behalf is undoubtedly your best option. You can now expect a bunch of posts citing all of the exceptions to the generalizations set out above. There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] [/quote]actually a "good" player (one who actually CAN control trajectory) could grab 10 different clubs off a rack and MAKE the ball flight in the air look VERY similar (no, that doesn't mean they are all ideal for the player, and no that doesn't mean they all fit him). It would definitely not work for me but might be ok for you. Bending TM P790 irons up to 2 degrees weaker. Is it safe? Good idea? 6-iron launch: 17*. The most popular brand is Golfsmith which manufactures high-quality loft/lie bending machines. In some cases, due to the softness of our forgings, "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. [/quote] After all, golf clubs are designed in such a way to ensure that you can pick the precise club out of your bag to hit the ball the required distance. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). [/b][/size] Strong lofts are only part of the equation that today's golf club engineers use to help you hit their irons further. ENTER NOW! Bending Golf Clubs: Should I Do it and How? - Windtree Golf The loft of an iron should be adjusted according to the golf course you play. Titleist 712U 4i, C-Taper 120x as many have already said, a more upright lie sort of "fixes" the leak to the right. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. Your link has been automatically embedded. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'] [/quote] I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. Mine are a degree flat guess I'm opposite of the norm. X Forged UT 20 w/PX It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. Bending golf clubs is a viable option if youre looking to adjust the lie angle and loft of your golf clubs. 9% choose stiff+ iron shafts, a flex in-between stiff and extra stiff, but over 70% use either extra stiff or tour extra stiff iron shafts. Personally have occasionally weakened wedges and rarely, irons in order to help dial in or normalize distance gapping, never more than 2 degrees." So stronger lofts = less bounce = more offset. My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. Once you know what your lie angles are - keep a note if you like, then you can easily know if another brand's irons need adjusting. but, best to check for real by hitting shots with them anyway. All bending machines are not accurate in their readings. I have a natural draw. Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? Mickesgolf See What Members Are Saying! When watching PGA tour on TV, sometimes we are surprised by the distance that the pros hit with their iron. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. If youre struggling with the current loft degrees of the irons in your bag, then changing the angle of your clubs by bending them could help you improve your ball striking. You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. Bending a golf club allows you to change the angle of your club, which is an effective way of changing your ball flight. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. '19 Apex Pro 5-A w/PX Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. . GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By After being bent, high-quality cast clubs dont go back to their original position either, ensuring you achieve the desired results after bending your clubs. But back to the original question, to sum up: Weakening lofts or going to weeaker lofts refers to increasing loft angle going from, say, 27 degrees in your 5-iron to 29 degrees in your 5-iron. [/quote] 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM Contact Us 7 iron 32 171 Display as a link instead, So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. I had one fitter tell me I could play at 4 deg flat but that seemed a little extreme. I've always just played with whatever I had, but I'm now trying to work my way up to being able to afford a set that actually fits me. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM Repeat a few times for checking, and can check a few different irons ie 7 and 9 and 5 etc to confirm your general tendency. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. Both Rory and Day hit big moon balls. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x Yes, that above but Once you know what your lie angles are - keep a note if you like, then you can easily know if another brand's irons need adjusting. but, best to check for real by hitting shots with them anyway. Ordering & Information No, they are talking about the lie, not the loft. Biggest difference is in hit 2 degree upright in the center much more often and not as thin. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. Golf is hard enough without a bag full of easy swings an choke downs? It is as basic as that. This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. [/quote] tiger does it, hyuck hyuck. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. I have some of my irons bent 2* strong. Every 1* is about 3 yards each way [/quote] flat but he has such a horrendous over the top move he gets by using irons that are 2 deg up. (Worth the Money?!). He wanted to see the club face wide open. Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. Pros and cons? Callaway Apex Pro 16 KBS Tour V x Irons bent strong? - WRX Club Techs - GolfWRX Bending say, 2* strong would have minimal effect on offset. more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. X Hot Pro 16 w/Rogue Black [/quote] Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. So, if you want to bend your golf clubs this season, you can expect to pay somewhere around the $100 mark for your entire set of irons, but you might be able to negotiate a discount. Pleased in both regard, distance and ball flight is good. Clear editor. #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. Upload or insert images from URL. "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. Titleist SM8 50/56 W/ LAgolf, Callaway Jaws Raw 60Z /Kbs 610 I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? Odyssey Versa Works Limited #7. You'll shallow out impact (lower AoA) and reduce dynamic loft > combined they will reduce spin loft. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. SeeMore M6 GIVEAWAY! Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? The truth about strong lofted irons | Today's Golfer The good news is that the vast majority of irons can be bent, even those that are high-quality cast. I'm concerned, however, that if I purchase a set of Scratch irons with what I think is the right grind for me (S/S) and bend the lofts a couple of degrees strong (ie. [/quote]tango xray 3 3 gives a great visual during practice with that hoop! Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger | Golf Monthly get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). XXIO X Series 5 Wood! Paste as plain text instead, ), Undersize Golf Grips Explained (8 Key Facts!). Pasted as rich text. Loft / Lie adjustments | Mizuno Golf Forum But he said that the standard lie/loft(?) This is helpful if you want to adjust instead of replacing your irons, particularly if their loft angles arent as they should be. [/quote] (Who Makes Them? You need a steep angle of attack to bend weaker as bounce is increased degree for degree. While some golfers can afford such a price tag to improve their clubs, others will balk at it! Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? We've chosen this model as it is a popular iron that suits a wide range of players from low handicappers to game improvers. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. [quote name='dlygrisse' post='1857448' date='Aug 1 2009, 11:07 PM']When buying shoes I noticed a lot of the shoes in the stores inventory were size 10.[/quote] They should be leading and flat. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. [/quote] (I think) I know this isn't real complexI guess what I'm asking is, I'm not sure what he testedI'm guessing lie since I hit on a board. Maybe it's just me but it seems you can't change the relationship between the loft of the club and the spin, given you're putting the same swing on it. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'][quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] Pw 47 125 If you want to add more loft to hit it a bit higher you can do so, but you will sacrifice some distance. Bumping the toe up 2 or 3 degrees, serves to mitigate each of the flaws through impact and helps to reduce the amount of left to right curvature that usually accompanies these moves. PM Grind 2.0 54w/PX, PM Grind 1.0 64 w/DG get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. Comparing 7 Iron Lofts - 2018 - Spargo Golf Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. Did I just answer my owne questions, do pro's bend the clubs stronger to have less bounce? [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? While the result of bending strong may be that short/mid irons go further, it won't help on the top end of the bag. Odyssey Pro #1 black 6 iron 30 180 Upload or insert images from URL. Are modern irons with stronger lofts easier/harder to hit - GolfWRX What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. simple, 2 degrees upright is what the clubfitter fitted me at. RBZ 25* hb; RBZstage 2 19* hb Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); One thing we talk about profusely in class are Why knowing the different variations in epoxy matter Here How to create excitement before they take the first Mitchell Golf Equipment Company Callaway Rogue Max LS 9* Tensei AV Blue 6, Titleist TSi3 strong 3w 13.5* PX HSRDUS black 70, Titleist TS3 19* hybrid Tensei Blue/Titleist TS3 23* TenseiBlue, Vokey SM8 50*F & 56*M Callaway Jaws MD5 60*. The angle and loft of your golf clubs are extremely important. An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon. I would think if anything it just shows that some taller people are getting into golf. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. Pasted as rich text. Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. But that's not the only reason for that. United States. "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. [/quote] Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task Is that ok? And that is forged soft steel clubheads and there are several forging methods and processes available. So that could be the difference. You probably have hair as well. Cleveland RTX4 Raw, Low Bounce 55*, Tour Issue DG S400. As mentioned, if youre thinking about bending your golf clubs, wed recommend consulting a professional club fitter first and getting a second opinion. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. I am about a 10 handicap but am young and just now getting more serious about golfing. 5-iron - 23.5 degrees. GM Never Compromise GM2 putter I would never ever think of doing this on my own. Paste as plain text instead, Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. The pros that adjust their lofts are doing so to not only control ball flight but give them consistent distances between clubs. Anyone know if most pros have this done? "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? To be bendable the iron has to have the proper heat treatment or annealing that will allow bending - let's make the assumption that quality irons indeed have this treatment. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Of the 59 irons surveyed in the chart, if a traditional 7-iron is 34 (thanks to this GolfWeek article ), that means 15 of them are 34 or 1 weaker than traditional loft, AND 44 are 1 or more stronger. Which is more typical to change? IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Bending golf clubs is a relatively inexpensive procedure that you can pay someone else to do on your behalf. If you don't like bend them back. R11S 8* square; Stock stiff Used to be 6'1" but I've shrunk a little.
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