And, even if you have a bike designed around 700C x 35-42mm tires, it is still a possibility, but bottom bracket height and tire width clearance might be issues. Without a blow torch, that would not be possible. The New Brompton Folding Bike Has 2.4 Tyres For Off-Road Terrain, Belts Are Now Better Than Chains On Bicycles (135,000km of Testing), Biking The Otherworldly Landscapes of the Jordan Bike Trail (Video). Agreed, Jim. You cant go on a forest ride without seeing one. Did you get anything ? We're open during the week by appointment only, click here to make one. The truth is there just is not even a modicum of folks that will buy super-small good frames or short good cranksets, sadly. The ability to have a light wheel set and touring wheel set. Thank you for your question. The main reason most folks consider 650B is to have bigger, wider tiresusually 47mm-53mm (around 2.1)on a drop-bar bike that would normally be fitted with much narrower tires. This leads us to the first factor to consider before tackling a 650B conversion: the bikes intended tire size. Since that time, I have done a number of other wheel size conversions, from 650c to 26 inch, and from 700c to 650c. If you have an older bike, it likely takes a nutted style caliper, and while Tektro makesor at one time did makethe 559 in that older style, we dont carry it and dont know (because we havent researched) who does. Reconversion Therapy: 700c to 650b to 700c. Videos, Converting From 26inch to 650B on a Touring Bike. There were several variations on the rim diameter and B triumphed, although Schwinn adopted 650C for their cruiser bikes for a while. Between 63 and 70mm, it seems. Is that possible to upgrade 27.5 on it. Fortunately for everyone 650B tires are far more plentiful now, too! Hi Justin, the actual width of any tire will vary with the rim you have selected. We got a pair of short-pull black and orange versions for this build. Much more than that and for a very affordable price. I have a 2013 Coyote Dakota 26. A lightweight 650B wheel set with slicks can be over 1.5kg lighter than a heavy-duty touring wheel set with puncture-proof tyres. While 26 slicks are generally only available in 32, 38 and 50mm widths, 650B is available in 32, 38, 42 and 48mm widths. In practice, there is an advantage, though, if you have a bicycle made for the fat, knobby so-called "27 five" tires, you can replace them with road tires if you prefer. Simone. The new eThirteen TRSr 9-46 cassette is one of the widest range 11-speed cassettes out there. As there is a 27.5 specific fork, a 27.5 wheel wont fit yor fork. Comes with 262.35 wheels and Id like to convert the wheels to 27. If you cant figure out the blanks, this whole thing will be hard. Thanks, Al. Here they are: Hunt has a lot of great wheels in tons of widths and configurations, all very reasonably priced and designed to withstand adventure. I am new to doing this and i need some help i just bought a montana mongoose with stock everything it has 26 inch rims and tires so can i convert it to a 27 inch rim and tire. Hi John, thats an interesting story of how a single bicycle can meet the needs of two very different riders. Other point: Old road bikes had 126mm rear hub spacing (and pre-1976 ones were usually 120mm). Less trail almost always equals less wheel flop, which can provide improved handling for carrying front end loads. Hello Liam, because I am not familiar with the Mondraker frame geometry I can not asure you that this will fit. Im still using 26 inch wheels built by merlin cycles when they where in Ormskirk lancs, XT hubs mavic 230 SBP rims. We thank Aaron Goss of Aaron's Bike Repair for the photo below, a lineup of all four sizes. Not having 26 wheels on hand, I installed 27 (27x1-1/14 tire size) rims and set the bike up for riding. My wife rides a 49-52 size (700c). Stop the flipping pseudo science already! The 650B option does only work for the Gary Fisher Fat Possom edition, not the Wahoo. Here are my pics of my '88 Schwinn Le Tour 650B that is also a three-speed conversion: My 650B conversion of a Peugeot PX 10! Conversion simply relies on a brake with 12.5 mm of vertical adjustability (half the 25mm difference between 559 and 584). As far as I can see, the frame wont be a problem, bus to be sure you should have your local bikeshop check it. Either way, there are a few preliminary details to evaluate: Brakes are most hardline obstacle when switching from 700C (622mm) to 650B (584mm) wheels. And, aside from their stylish design, adjustments on the Klamper are the easiest of all the mechanical disc brakes weve tried. In the old days, with 20mm tires, tire drop was 3mmnot a big dealbut the Switchback Hill 48mm tire will drop about 7mm when the rider is on the bike! Jan also suggested that tire drop is independent of rider weight, and that for this type of tire, its appropriate for air pressure to be set at about 15% tire drop, almost like suspension sag. You want to just pop on some 650b wheels onto your 700c frame/fork. I agree, but I will say that, as someone that has and still does sell high-quality lugged-steel frames, the market for anything smaller than the smallest 700c frame (so, about a 52 cm c-t) is very near zero. In addition, reducing the rim diameter allows a bike to maintain better handling characteristics and react more quickly to rider input. What makes a BB height short enough that pedal strikes and cornering will be an issue? I posted a thread about this on this forum! Enthusiastic trail runner and mountain biker. There used to be castings that were designed to fit over existing brake studs and stiffen frames that had too much side-to-side flex for the cantis to be effective. With the recent flood of 650B gravel/adventure bikes coming to market, and 47-50mm road plus tires surging in popularity, you might be interested in purchasing a new 650B rig or converting the 700C bike you already have. The widest point in a 650B x 47-48mm tire is about 325mm from center of the rear axle. We think it has close to 100,000 miles on it now. HELLO NOLA ENJOY YOUR MERAL THANK YOU DON TURNER. I think I have a bike with the best of both worlds; agile to overcome obstacles, rolling, light and extremely maneuverable. Giant xtc 1, hardtail disc brakes (2009). There are even experts who argue that toe overlap doesnt matter. (mid-90s) Mainly for delivery work. Depends on the build year, you can send us a picture of the front fork and swingarms if you so choose, GIANT UPLAND SE XL 21 Hardtail Framelooking to change 26 wheels to 27.5. So, chainstay length isn't usually the issue. That would be _________mm. Before we dive into the details about converting a bike to 650B, lets talk a little bit about the platform and who 650B is best suited for. I believe the geometry was very Schwinn Racer, not Masi GC, so the bike rode comfortably with toe overlap for my size 12-1/2 feet attached to my 63 frame. Looking for something of the quality of Hemisphere kevlar tires but with a smaller cross section to cut rolling weight. Ive got a Raleigh mountain bike, Fox forks are the only forks compatible with 27.5 inch wheels. Case in point, the Surly Straggler is offered in either 700C or 650B in sizes 52-58cm, 700C only in 60 and 62mm, and 650B only in 38, 42, 46, and 50cm models. In this guide, youll find all the facts and figures you need to know about 650B, learn whether your 700C bike is suitable for a conversion, and get some ideas about how to take on such a project. Wheel size conversions are appropriate for all sized riders allowing one to use wider tires and fenders. Keep yourself and your bike clean with road and mountain bike mudguards! It sounds like your Trek 710 is working out. Not withstanding your critics generalizations, the Meral looks like a fine example of a 650B conversion. 700C vs 26 Inch Wheels for Bicycle Touring Switching the modular dropouts from a 135mm/QR to a 142 x 12mm thru-axle enabled a stiffer and modernized rear end. Thatll give you 8mm of clearance on each side. Putting 650B wheels on 26" wheeled frames with cantilever brakes is really not practical. Nola, great work on both this 650 conversion and your beautiful Peugeot Mixte! Be safe! Es posible la conversin a 27,5? According to Jan, For a 650B x 48mm Switchback Hill, youll need a 70mm bottom bracket drop to achieve the road standard BB height of 265mm. Happy riding! Can you fit 26 inch tires on a 27.5 rim and fork? Thats a lot! Understanding Bike Fit: How Does It Work? You can swap the fork for a 27.5 one, but then youd still be stuck with a 26 on the rear. Converting your 26 mountainbike to a 27.5 or 650b wheelset isnt as hard as you might think. But if you wantedto use 261.25on a bike designed around 262.00, you would lower your bottom bracket by about 2cm! And, with the quality of older vintage frames, there is an ongoing advantage to taking a vintage frame designed for 700c wheels and converting it to 650b. Paul|Mantel. No. 12. Hi there, you can only convert to disc if your frame is already suited for disc brake. I love being outdoors! The Lorax has 63mm, which left a comfortable 8mm on each side of the tire as breathing room. I have a 2012 26 Scott Scale 80, does anyone knows if the convention works well in this bike? Any idea if the frame will accommodate? Will it be converted to a 27.5 wheel and a fork? As is the market for anything larger than about a 63 cm c-t size. New pedals always come with cleats: Look includes red cleats, Shimano offers you , When choosing a new mountain bike, you are also able to decide what groupset youd like on your new MTB. Ditto the 65 cm. We're also open Saturdays for walk-ins, 10am to 4pm, Rivendell Bicycle Works Ever Since 1994. Thank you so much, youre a blessing Nola! Last summer I built up an early 70s Japanese made Crystal road bike project that I purchased from a hoarders stash missing one of its wheels to resell. There are also some adapters to fit on your frame. Paul used to offer the long version of a V brake with straight cylindrical arms, and there you could raise the pads to covert a 26" frame to 650b, say, but taking 700c down to 650b wouldn't work too well. What's the difference between a. There are some cheap rotors, and brake calipers out there. Just a footnoteno French builder, large or small would ever let a bike with toeclip overlap leave their workshop or factory.. The least you could do would be to buy one of those elegant Stronglight extra long headset lock-nuts that would both add about 30mms of extra grip to the quill while at the same time making the bike look less ridiculous than it does now So, his ignorance begat some enlightening, My Velo Orange (while not a conversion) has all sorts of stem and post sticking out but by doing so, I was able to knock 5cm off of my reach. 650b conversion, brake ponderings - The Paceline Forum My own Meral has very little bottom bracket drop, so the conversion improved the handling, by dropping the bottom bracket height DOWN to 27.5 cm, still very high, and much higher than recommended by some frame builders. Availability of high-quality slick tyres. This Meral is an example of that where the builder chose not to eliminate toe overlap in favor of other frame characteristics and geometry. But, even so, since the 700C Straggler is designed for 42mm tires, the 650B version has a different geometry. "five" actually is supposed to mean "point five." Hi I have a 2009 santa cruz chameleon 4 with a fox 36 rc2 fit fork. You will get better results from simply fitting the fattest 26 tyre you can get away with and maybe converting your rims to tubeless. This resulted in a greater availability of high-quality slick tyres in the latter sizes. Wine cork spacer for the rear fender. Hello, I have gt force 3 from 2011, will that fit 27,5 anykind? Biggest issue is at the top of the seat stays where the gap narrows. That means the radius is ______mm. Even so, we knew going into it that this wasnt the perfect bike for road plus tires, but it would work with shorter cranks. She has a Guerciotti racing bike that she purchased new in 1981. Eventually, the C permutation won out, and people altered the outer diameter by mounting different tire sizes on a 700C rim. I have a Cannondale f800 with headshok that would make an excellent commuter. The numbers seem to work out where my 2.25 tire on the 26 rim is 673mm diameter vs my desired conversion is 45mm on 650b rim is 674mm. I didnt see the one I have on the list. 26 inch (559mm) wheels were the default mountain bike size for a few decades, while 700C (622mm) and 650B (584mm) were generally reserved for road and randonneur bikes. The diameter of a 700c rim, roughly at the braking point, is 622mm. For the same type of tire, you need .5 .75 inches for the extra radius. . Understanding Bike Fit: How Does It Work? Not always, but sometimes. There is a snag though: your bike needs to be able to fit the larger wheels. The Bikepacking Journal is our biannual printed publication. The 650C size was originally intended for a quite wide tire, about 40 mm wide. Your email address will not be published. . I have a 26 MTB with a cheep rock shock fork that is frozen up so my plan is to replace it with a rigid fork and 27.5 tires I think They will fit on the rear because the chain stays arent straight they bow out up near the bottom bracket. Some of our partners may process your data as a part of their legitimate business interest without asking for consent. A particularly easy to read guide is available at Rivendells site. Heavier riders use higher pressure, lighter riders lower pressure. Hello, I have a 1991 trek 7000. Zero sales in a decade. There are a fewreasons why 650B wheels may be agood idea for you. The morons comment appears at the end of this post, and because it is full of misconceptions and mythologies couched as expertise, Id like to thank him for inspiring this post. I am new to the sport and still am learning about how I can make my bike better and feel that the larger tires are a good start. Kind regards, and happy (almost) new year! Hi Michael, Where do I measure from to see if fits. Figure out the blanks and youre on your way. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Hi, how about Trek 6000 series is it possible to swap it to from 26 to 27.5 wheels? one, however, will be built to order (but cost no extra because of it). However, the 650B size never caught on in the United States, and its popularity waned in France alongside the growth and adoption of the mountain bike. Its actually been around for quite some time (see boxout below). You could use a different fork designed for 650b and run the rear wheel fixed. Some people adapt well to a small amount of overlap, but ideally there should be none. As mentioned, 650B x 47/48mm tires usually have a similar diameter to a 700c x 28/30mm wheel/tire combo. I have a 2008 Trek Fuel 5.5 with 26 wheels. After using the Paul Klamper on trips through Uganda, Rwanda, the US, and, recently, the Republic of Georgia, we are pretty confident in their durability. Reply 05-10-17, 02:02 PM # 7 due ruote Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,642 Mentioned: 30 Post (s) And yes, this frame had toe overlap with the larger 700c wheels, and it was indeed designed that way something that happens when small and even medium sized frames are built around 700c wheels. If you've learned a thing or two from me, consider supporting my independent resources, Bikepacking . There may be other sources on the internet, but here is oursand it is 100 percent true. Freddie Strong. ANy suggestions on who might sell them? Hello , i have a Specialized s works Enduro sl 2008 or 9 i dont really know now,. The effect of the 650B conversion is to give one a chance to ride on wider tires, making the bike more useful and comfortable, and to provide for fender clearance that didnt exist with the larger wheel size. Some frames may have forks or rear stays that are too narrow to permit the use of wider 584 tires, but most often this won't be a problem, since the stays and fork blades get wider apart as they head toward the hubs. Long-reach dual-pivot sidepull brakes also work. Those requirements allow us to address this efficiently but uncomprehensively. Few questions if anyone can help. Check out their 24mm IW AdventureCarbon wheels, affordable 29mm IW TrailWide, and their Dynamo specific wheels. Kind regards, and happy (almost) new year! That is really exciting!. One and Two are fancier, but cost more. The wider tires will be more durable, more "sure-footed", and give a more comfortable ride on rough pavement or under moderate off-road conditions. A bigger wheel size makes a small onstacle less of a nuisance then a smaller wheel size. I have a Trek 930. All my bikes have high Nitto stems and seatposts that stick up. It's actually the bike that inspired me to start this blog. You could then try to compensate with V-brake compatible levers, but that gets extra kludgy fast. At $350, its certainly not cheap, but you can get the TRS+ for less than $250 with the same range. do you think putting some 27.5 on will fit? Tektro CR720 cantilever brakes have a decent amount ofadjustment and are known to work. Agreed. with a Future Shock E150 fork , please if you can tell me or anyone, am I able to convert the bike to 27,5 with , i that fork ? Took a long time to wean her off of that crazy geometry!!!! To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. Thanks! (Rear). How did you rework the bridge on your C-Dale? I'm here to help you travel the world by bike! They will cost you a pretty penny though. The outer diameter of a 38 mm 650B tire is only a bit smaller than that of a 700c x 20 tire. Pro 2007 would change over from a 26 to a 27.5. Please if you have any idea. I like the Soma as it rides nice and supple like the old Tange 9 series. Question ! 650B rims have a radius thats 19mm smaller than that of 700C. The favorable 650B x 47/48mm tires, made popular by the 48mm Compass Switchback Hill and 47mm WTB Byway, have a similar tire diameter to 70028 wheels and tires. Now though, theres the 27.5 wheel, which for some is the best of both worlds. Ive a voodoo Bantu Ive turned into more of an adventure bike, running the original wheel set with schwalbe land cruiser tyres. Thanks for all the info! It may well be possible, but it is hard to say based on this information alone. Many bicycles from the 1970s on have way too high bottom brackets to begin with, so lowering the bottom bracket a bit will improve the bikes handling and cause no negative side effects.
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