This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. Or ? They seem bonded before a word is spoken. Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. Whatever I told you would not have a context. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). thanks Dawn for your reply. Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared historyeven if they are new to one another, it feels old. They recognize one another when they meet. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? I also have problems with communication in general, I tend to . We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. Composite Chiron can be strongest when in the composite 1st house or conjunct (aligned with) a composite planet (especially a personal planet - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) or composite angle (1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th house cusps). I do all these within a synastry consulation. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. Youre writing is inspired. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. I dont know whether this situation is karma? You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves for various reasons, not feeling comfortable telling them. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. thank you for your insight, thank you !!! Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? What is your thought on this. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! Composite Sun in the 2nd House. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. )~~~a reader with Sun in Neptune and Saturn and Mars both in 12th house. In the end it was his choice to end it. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. And what does it mean our 12th. Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. Pisces is the mutable water sign overseeing the 12th house. Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. Im always attracted to those types of relationships The Autumn Schedule is Here! Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. Mars and Pluto certainly do about Scorpio. Also, I would think that the answer to your issues is not in the composite, but in your natal comparison. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? We feel that very beautiful in our life! Do you think perhaps its just the heavily dominated 12th house of our composite chart thats responsible for my belief that we may be twin flames? He is a pisces rising with neptune conjunct his midheaven. North Node conjuncts Desc. Any insight you may have would be extremely helpful, I am having difficulty understanding this 12th house energy. i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. Chiron In 12th House Man, Chiron In 12th House Male. venus+mars, etc. Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. . taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? I need all the help to understand I can get. The individuals involved may feel stronger as a couple than they do on their own. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. Sun conj. So beautifully written Dawn. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. . When we split up I cried every day for a month. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. As the article says : this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. Therefore difficult aspects to composite Chiron need to be noted. It is often said about this house that everyone else see's it before you do. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. 12th house issues are not always supportive. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? And I learned a lot too. thank you for post! What do you think? And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! These natives like the challenge of conquering a possible partner. Thank you for your reply Dawn . The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. Another spin given to the 12th house . crone status for women. We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. (Were married 16 years, and now we are old!) In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. Am i trapping my self? but the rising is scorpio. Im trying to figure it out. Sense of self and feeling of completeness comes from your identification with the Divine. Thanks! Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? Happy holidays and thank you for this article. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! Its pretty rare. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. Chiron in Pisces, or the 12th House, is a sensitive, vulnerable, and compassionate soul. They rip the rug from under you every other day. But I do have one question? Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). AT ALL. Thank you for this series of articles! I am a strong 12th house person- the sun in Libra conjunct Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorpio widely conjunct my Scorpio ascendent (I told you I was intense) and he has no planets in the 12th. He says what on thinking. My daughter and I have a 12th house Sun-Moon conjunction (in Cancer) in our composite. I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! Im so confused by this mix! The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. how this would manifest? Bright blessings to you. Here we are, older, everything so different now, lessons learned, and I am seeing that I cant undo the past. Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. Sometimes learning from the mistakes IS the path. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. Chiron in Taurus 12 th House. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. We both have natal moon in house 12. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. Youre a poet of poets. It is often said about this house that everyone else see's it before you do. mercury and mercury conj. etc. Is there nothing better to hope for? We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Hi! We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. My first sister has Chiron in the 12th house of gemini, and she was 'born dead' due to suffocation from inhaling meconium. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. You may feel stressed out about something together or in the relationship, and need to work on this. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? Lots of greetings from Serbia. House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. But, our composite chart is weird. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? Gilly. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. Composite Venus in the 12th House. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. chiron is opposed to uranus with the moon/mercury midpiont conjnuct uranus. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. Ego issues in relationship. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! 4 months passed since then. She was in the birth canal waaaay too long. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. this is an aspect on infidelity.it shows he is manipulative and insensitive to you.i would think that he is cheating on your currently. Together we share a Mars 12th. Thank you. Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. P.S. I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. Useful Chiron in 12th House Crystals Jasper Malachite Professional Readings 2023 Yearly 30 Minute Astrology Report Recent Articles Ceres Aspects Lilith Aspects Juno in Houses Ceres in Houses Lilith in Houses Astrological Events New Moon in Taurus Increasing pleasures May 19 2023 Jupiter in Taurus Productive Growth I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. The ego thing is very true. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. So much more needs to be considered. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. This is not only with regards to emotions but also physically. The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that its real, but it doesnt matter. Something is whispering in their ears. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. Greetings. I am NOT usually like this. When there are clusters of planets there are no simple solutions. He literally proposed to me the night we met. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. Please your opinion. Dear Dawn, So, one might experience a number of spiritual or religious . The various areas of your life where there might be certain effects cannot be pinpointed as this stage is a little bit vague. hi dawn I hope you are well during these strange and powerful times. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. Sometimes the path isnt easy to find, and we make lots of mistakes along the way. Like me, two of my sisters have/had Chiron placements in Gemini. For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. Our strongest aspect is Saturn Trine Moon. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. You will both be changed deeply by it. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. Transit Moon in the Composite 6th House. or sth.
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