It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. If the LED on the decoder is not blinking green, ensure the station is active, checkthe two-wire path and wire connections, and repeatsteps 1 & 2. Ex distributor and a big fan of Hunter 2 wire. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. There will be more online material in the future. Decoder is powered from ICD-HP power leads. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. Know most of the Hunter guys in San Marcos. Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. Check battery display or 2. ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The station finder will chatter a selected station to help locate a solenoid in the field by listening. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 19 yrs & counting. 4 0 obj I love the product. stream I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. endobj Can we trust electronic component curves? All rights reserved. Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. <> WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. Start the controller manually. %PDF-1.5 I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. 1 0 obj Read the resistance of the wire pair that connects the two decoders together. The readings should be between 0-60 depending on distance between decoders (see decoder wire resistance chart). If connection/wiring breaks are not visible, then use a cable tracer to track the wire issue. I should have mentioned my own research about polyswitches was not about their being primary protection in this application, but for use in another aspect of valve operation by remote controllers. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. Sometimes it works perfectly fine. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? JavaScript is disabled. I was at the Golf Industry Show in San Diego all day. WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. w?Lhq ?N~5kd>wkSrzPq$`p_PD8q WebMake sure both slide locks are closed. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. Select. Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. When 12 comes on there shouldn't be any measurable current on the same wire on the 11 valve. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. To read decoder information: Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. In a diagnostics situation be aware their will be measurable current where their will none in a traditionally open circuit. ?t5Za')i6/3^mAa` B@9xkWJIj#vc$lsv$ $ac9]zruP!53yT)Ek8k~oF2|jS(KzwR%~qQPxS*=[{n{;GCNBRq;4E+ajt'b34vII +sa:fKJ Thank you very much, I will be calling Hunter Support tomorrow. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You Poly switches allow current leakage and their ability to remain active is limited. :clapping: Hey Pops, you ever hear of speaker phone or earbuds? Check system for leaks and malfunctions. Check two-wire path and controller power. Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by hand held. I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? WebDetect faults and perform electrical troubleshooting in the field without uninstalling decoders Quickly read decoder status, station address, current draw, and two-wire voltage to simplify maintenance Program decoder station address via wired connection to speed up installation and save time on-site Display backlight will reduce battery life. Make sure power is on to controller. WebWith the clamp meter check the lead wire of the decoder to make sure the cause is not a failed decoder. Press the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. endobj Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. JavaScript is disabled. also there Some of us employ self-healing transformer technology which may use a poly-switch or other resettable device. I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. This is a common diagnostic technique to find shorts to earth ground. also there are 22 stations. The display may show Press the Mode (center) button on the DUAL48M control panel. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. EZ-DT is Hunters new Easy Decoder Diagnostic Tool that makes troubleshooting the EZ-DS system even easier. ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. <>>> The Diagnostics screen displays an overview of the electrical status of each installed output module, plus additional functions. I'm an avid user of Hunter products here in Aus. In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. The * is letting the user know that the ICD-HP is in process of communicating with the decoder. nothing works. 5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. 2 0 obj Y1-XBL)~\d1on4a*NkHIcOB\pMEw4pl>=U`S&bSh 9umf,[$ctNKXle5I<5~8[y!ofCO]myN 'T,]>V 7T% Start station with MV from controller or remote. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. Decoder will not respond after firmware update. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. All rights reserved. Not sure how their fuse size compares to the actual transformer ratings. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red. To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. nothing works. Sorry. If the voltage did not change, verify that The wire test will place a 60 Hz frequency on all output modules and their two-wire paths, to allow wire tracking and fault finding with a standard AC current clamp meter. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Woo-Hoo! I will also explore a shorted solenoid. Sprinkus, nice job on providing the Decoder Troubleshooting Guide. The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. WebTroubleshoot wire breaks, nicks, damage, and shorts Solve issues with wires, valves and locating decoders Assists with set-up and product recommendations Supports all 2-wire 1:27:03 Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Check flow sensor wiring. 1:24:23 The Half Method. 1:15:16 Types of Problems. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. The decoder may be damaged. I'd say a helper would be handy. <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. Wont read flow. ICD-HP will not communicate with decoder. Most manufacturers use a diagnostic circuit breaker on the triac/output side of things. I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. <> Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. Success! Hi guys. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. If http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf, http://www.turf-digital.com/Jul2011/South#&pageSet=12&page=0. 3 0 obj Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. To stop the chatter, press the soft key again, or it will stop by itself after 30 minutes. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Rod your a big help.. when i called hunter support last thursday the rep i talked to was just reading a book and didnt know a clue what i was talking about almost. I am troubleshooting a Hunter ACC 2 wire decoder system and could use some advice. great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. dEZ$eo4#tWY)[ 1BqH M9 7HB37(.eFyTg%!Rppe8M'CJ_*uN%! My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. I will check on it. Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. XhArBLfR6+$!$/}^T%]'N$xRP:D,d_c GuC`5PC.7|/$C. Woo-Hoo! VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Check flow sensor setup. All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current". The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. also there are 22 stations. Thanks for any help. 6u-B*v?!kTBiqGx]%L(lJR%C%JT|JN](lW*M(q0sN)M3Z>.l&Zhg_v|w4(`yNId8Ui@IOPfMaUKZHTLjnJQZ\`{YAQ$t"k$HiYv;|bXr`-p J#[(iiq:;?-+&gj"tw0 ,x n(p.d0ib=J%UXSeRn2 LM %%]*WI@NT. @lP-s 67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. Only looked it up a few days ago, and found the LTC1153 as a top result. Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Overflow messages. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/acc_v5.11.020_xp.zip, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf. http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-te-talks/, http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-TE-talks/, http://www.underhillonline.net/Faulting_Transformer_p/transfrmr-240.htm, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf. A condensed version might be possible in your area. Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. 1:01:06 Tools for Troubleshooting. Thanks to all for the kind words. JavaScript is disabled. If The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. Is that true? This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. So here's the recap guys: Success! Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. Thank you. The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). % A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. Konapride - U da Man! 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. nothing works. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. HunterTekGeek 1. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. School of hard knocks. STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. I have replaced the decoder module and I am experiencing the same problem. All rights reserved. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. Operating large numbers Awesome sps2868. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Each modules electrical current is shown. When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or I like barry he uses a white board which I like and dry erase markers which I love, ill post a link if i can find it. Thanks for your patience. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. WebHunter ACC Decoders. O.k, you're holding the phone in one hand and the notebook in the other..how do you write? I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. HCC Manual Operation. endobj i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Program dummy station numbers into decoder. WebMove the pointer with the arrow buttons at the Main Menu screen to Program Decoder and press Next . If successful, it will display the Dec if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode Whats the next step? I feel like I am beating this to death. Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. I will be in the office the rest of the week. Reduce timer or turn off backlight display. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. Sorry tlawn86 - The 2-day decoder class is currently held in San Marcos, CA. xnH j"0 5xvyeY&B^RU}j5,WWu| ?Dy2)Q()F)aY@S8bAZDx]r|zy|hWl>V&vrU>%eD/ay2qlH&O}MHV- 0h$X>#e|:>6 ? A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. 2. ICC2 Manual Operation. Check Power Supply Board status light.
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